DN 15: Mahanidanda Sutta: The Great Discourse on Origination

THUS HAVE I HEARD.

Once the Lord was staying among the Kurus. There is a market town there called Kammasadhamma. And the venerable Lands came to the Lord, saluted him, sat down to one side, and said: 'It is wonderful, Lord, it is marvellous how profound this dependent origination is, and how profound it appears! And yet it appears to me as clear as clear!'

'Do not say that, Ananda, do not say that! This dependent origination is profound and appears profound. It is through not understanding, not penetrating this doctrine that this generation has become like a tangled ball of string, covered as with a blight:' tangled like coarse grass, unable to pass beyond states of woe, the ill destiny, ruin and the round of birth-and-death?"

'If, Ananda, you are asked: "Has ageing-and-death a condition for its existence?" you should answer: "Yes." If asked: "What conditions ageing-and-death?" you should answer: "Ageing-and-death is conditioned by birth.". . . "What conditions birth?'. . .."Becoming conditions birth.". . . "Clinging conditions becoming.". . . "Craving conditions clinging.". . . "Feeling conditions craving.". . ."Contact conditions feeling." . . . "Mind-and-body conditions contact.". . ."Consciousness conditions mind-and-body." . . .If asked: "Has consciousness a condition for its existence?'you should answer: "Yes."

If asked: "What conditions consciousness? 'you should answer: "Mind-and-body conditions consciousness." 'Thus, Ananda, mind-and-body conditions consciousness and consciousness conditions mind-and-body, mind-and-body conditions contact, contact conditions feeling, feeling conditions craving, craving conditions clinging, clinging conditions becoming, becoming conditions birth, birth conditions ageing-and-death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and distress. Thus this whole mass of suffering comes into existence.

'I have said: "Birth conditions ageing-and-death, and this is the way that should be understood. If, Ananda, there were no birth at all, anywhere, of anybody or anything: of devas to the deva-state, of gandhabbas. . . of yakkhas.. ., of ghosts. . . of humans. . . , of quadrupeds. . . , of birds.. . of reptiles to the reptile state, if there were absolutely no birth at all of all these beings, then, with the absence of all birth, the cessation of birth, could ageing-and-death appear?' 'No, Lord.' 'Therefore, Ananda, just this is the root, the cause, the origin, the condition for ageing-and-death - namely birth. 'I have said: "Becoming conditions birth.". . .If there were absolutely no becoming: in the World of Sense-Desires, of Form or the Formless World. . .could birth appear?' 'No, Lord.'

'Therefore just this is the condition of birth - namely becoming. "'Clinging conditions becoming.". . .If there were absolutely no clinging: sensuous clinging, clinging to views, to rite-and-ritual, to personality-belief. . . , could becoming appear? '"Craving conditions clinging.". . .If there were absolutely no craving: for sights, sounds, smells, tastes, tangibles, mind objects. . . , could clinging appear? ' "Feeling conditions craving.". . .If there were absolutely no feeling: feeling born of eye-contact, ear-contact, nose-contact, tongue-contact, body-contact, mind-contact - in the absence of all feeling, with the cessation of feeling, could craving appear?' 'No, Lord.'

Therefore, Ananda, just this is the root, the cause, the origin, the condition for craving - namely feeling. 'And so, Ananda, feeling conditions craving, craving conditions seeking conditions acquisition, acquisition conditions decision-making, decision-making conditions lustful lustful desire conditions attachment, attachment conditions appropriation, appropriation conditions avarice, conditions guarding of possession and because of the guarding of possessions there arise the taking up of stick and sword, quarrels, disputes, arguments, strife, abuse, lying and other evil unskilled states.

'I have said: "All these evil unskilled states arise because of the guarding of possessions." For if there were absolutely no guarding of possessions. . .would there be the taking up of stick or sword. . . ?' 'No, Lord.' 'Therefore, Ananda, the guarding of possessions is the root, the cause, the origin, the condition for all these evil unskilled states. 'I have said: "Avarice conditions the guarding of possessions. . ." "'Appropriation conditions avarice,. . . attachment conditions appropriation,. . . lustful desire conditions attachment,. . . decision-making conditions lustful desire,. . . acquisition conditions decision-making, . . . seeking conditions acquisition. . . "

'I have said: "Craving conditions seeking.". . .If there were no craving,. . .would there be any seeking?' 'No, Lord.' 'Therefore, Ananda, craving is the root, the cause, the origin, the condition for all seeking. Thus these two things become united in one by feeling. 'I have said: "Contact conditions feeling.". . .Therefore contact is the root, the cause, the origin, the condition for feeling. '"Mind-and-body conditions contact." By whatever properties, features, signs or indications the mind-factor is conceived of, would there, in the absence of such properties. . . pertaining to the mind-factor, be manifest any grasping at the idea of the body factor?' 'No, Lord.' 'Or in the absence of any such properties pertaining to the body-factor, would there be any grasping at sensory reaction on the part of the mind-factor?

'No, Lord.' 'By whatever properties the mind-factor and the body-factor are designated - in their absence is there manifested any grasping at the idea, or at sensory reaction?' 'No, Lord.' 'By whatever properties, features, signs or indications the mind-factor is conceived of, in the absence of these is there any contact to be found?' 'No, Lord.' 'Then, Ananda, just this, namely mind-and-body, is the root, the cause, the origin, the condition for all contact.

'I have said: "Consciousness conditions mind-and-body." . . If consciousness were not to come into the mother's womb, would mind-and-body develop there? 'No, Lord.' 'Or if consciousness, having entered the mother's womb, were to be deflected, would mind-and-body come to birth in this life?' 'No, Lord.' 'And if the consciousness of such a tender young being, boy or girl, were thus cut off, would mind-and-body grow, develop and mature?' 'No, Lord.' 'Therefore, Ananda, just this, namely consciousness, is the root, the cause, the origin, the condition of mind-and-body

'I have said: "Mind-and-body conditions consciousness." . . .If consciousness did not find a resting-place. in mind-and body, would there subsequently be an arising and coming-to be of birth, ageing, death and suffering?' 'No, Lord.' 'Therefore, Ananda, just this, namely mind-and-body, is the root, the cause, the origin, the condition of consciousness. Thus far then, Ananda, we can trace birth and decay, death and falling into other states and being reborn thus far extends the way of designation, of concepts, thus far is the sphere of understanding, thus far the round goes as far as can be discerned in this life:40 namely to mind-and-body together with consciousness.

'In what ways, Ananda, do people explain the nature of the self? Some declare the self to be material and limited, saying: "My self is material and limited; some declare it to be material and unlimited. . . some declare it to be immaterial and limited. . .some declare it to be immaterial and unlimited, saying: "My self is immaterial and unlimited."

'Whoever declares the self to be material and limited, considers it to be so either now, or in the next world, thinking: "Though it is not so now, I shall acquire it there." That being so, that is all we need say about the view that the self is material and limited, and the same applies to the other theories. So much, Ananda, for those who proffer an explanation of the self. '

'How is it with those who do not explain the nature of the self?. . .(as verses 23 -24 but negated). 'In what ways, Ananda, do people regard the self? They equate the self with feeling: "Feeling is my self" or: "Feeling is not my self, myself is impercipient"? or: "Feeling is not my self, but my self is not impercipient, it is of a nature to feel."

'Now, Ananda, one who says: "Feeling is my self" should be told: "There are three kinds of feeling, friend: pleasant, painful, and neutral. Which of the three do you consider to be your self?" When a pleasant feeling is felt, no painful or neutral feeling is felt, but only pleasant feeling. When a painful feeling is felt, no pleasant or neutral feeling is felt, but only painful feeling. And when a neutral feeling is felt, no pleasant or painful feeling is felt, but only neutral feeling. '

'Pleasant feeling is impermanent, conditioned, dependently-arisen, bound to decay, to vanish, to fade away, to cease - and so too are painful feeling and neutral feeling. So anyone who, on experiencing a pleasant feeling, thinks: "This is myself", must, at the cessation of that pleasant feeling, think: "My self has gone!" and the same with painful and neutral feelings. Thus whoever thinks: "Feeling is my self" is contemplating something in this present life that is impermanent, a mixture of happiness and unhappiness, subject to arising and passing away. Therefore it is not fitting to maintain: "Feeling is my self."

'But anyone who says: "Feeling is not my self, my self is impercipient" should be asked: "If, friend, no feelings at all were to be experienced, would there be the thought: 'I am'?" [to which he would have to reply:] "No, Lord." Therefore it is not fitting to maintain: "Feeling is not my self, my self is impercipient." 'And anyone who says: "Feeling is not my self, but my self is not impercipient, my self is of a nature to feel" should be asked: "Well, friend, if all feelings absolutely and totally ceased, could there be the thought: 'I am this? " [to which he would have to reply:] "No, Lord." Therefore it is not fitting to maintain: "Feeling is not myself, but myself is not impercipient, my self is of a nature to feel."

'From the time, Ananda, when a monk no longer regards feeling as the self, or the self as being impercipient, or as being percipient and of a nature to feel, by not so regarding, he clings to nothing in the world; not clinging, he is not excited by anything, and not being excited he gains personal and he knows: "Birth is finished, the holy life has been led, done was what had to be done, there is nothing more here." 'And if anyone were to say to a monk whose mind was thus freed: "The Tathagata exists after that would be [seen by him as] a wrong opinion and unfitting, likewise: "The Tathagata does not exist. . . , both exists and does not exist. . ., neither exists nor does not exist after death." Why so? As far, Ananda, as designation and the range of designation reaches, as far as language and the range of language reaches, as far as concepts and the range of concepts reaches, as far as understanding and the range of understanding reaches, as far as the cycle reaches and revolves - that monk is liberated from all that by super knowledge and to maintain that such a liberated monk does not know and see would be a wrong view and incorrect.

'Ananda, there are seven stations of consciousness and two realms. Which are the seven? There are beings different in body and different in perception, such as human beings, some devas and some in states of woe. That is the first station of consciousness. There are beings different in body and alike in perception, such as the devas of Brahma's retinue, born there [on account of having attained] the first jhana. That is the second station. There are beings alike in body and different in perception, such as the Abhassara devas. That is the third station. There are beings alike in body and alike in perception, such as the Subhakinna devas. That is the fourth station. There are beings who have completely transcended all perception of matter, by the vanishing of the perception of sense-reactions and by non-attention to the perception of variety; thinking: "Space is infinite", they have attained to the Sphere of Infinite Space. That is the fifth station. There are beings who, by transcending the Sphere of Infinite Space, thinking: "Consciousness is infinite", have attained to the Sphere of Infinite Consciousness. That is the sixth station. There are beings who, having transcended the Sphere of Infinite Consciousness, thinking: "There is no thing", have attained to the Sphere of Nothingness. That is the seventh station of consciousness. [The two realms are:] The Realm of Unconscious Beings and, secondly, the Realm of Neither-Perception-Nor-Non-Perception.'

'Now, Ananda, as regards this first station of consciousness, with difference of body and difference of perception, as in the case of human beings and so on, if anyone were to understand it, its origin, its cessation, its attraction and its peril, and the deliverance from it, would it be fitting for him to take pleasure in it?' 'No, Lord.' 'And as regards the other stations, and the two spheres likewise?' 'No, Lord.' 'Ananda, insofar as a monk, having known as they really are these seven stations of consciousness and these two spheres, their origin and cessation, their attraction and peril, is freed without attachment, that monk, ~nanda, is called one who is liberated by '

'There are, Ananda, these eight liberations. What are they? '(I) Possessing form, one sees forms. That is the first liberation. (2) Not perceiving material forms in oneself, one sees them That is the second liberation. [71] (3) Thinking: "It is beautiful", one becomes intent on it. That is the third. (4) By completely transcending all perception of matter, by the vanishing of the perception of sense-reactions and by nonattention to the perception of variety, thinking: "Space is infinite", one enters and abides in the Sphere of Infinite Space. That is the fourth. (5) By transcending the Sphere of Infinite Space, thinking: "Consciousness is infinite", one enters and abides in the Sphere of Infinite Consciousness. That is the fifth. (6) By transcending the Sphere of Infinite Consciousness, thinking: "There is no thing", one enters and abides in the Sphere of No-Thingness. That is the sixth. (7) By transcending the Sphere of Nothingness, one reaches and abides in the Sphere of Neither-Perception-Nor-Non-Perception. That is the seventh. (8) By transcending the Sphere of Neither-Perception-Nor-Non-Perception one enters and abides in the Cessation of Perception and Feeling. That is the eighth liberation.

'Ananda, when once a monk attains these eight liberations in forward order, in reverse order, and in forward-and reverse order, entering them and emerging from them as and when, and for as long as he wishes, and has gained by his own super-knowledge here and now both the destruction of the corruptions and the uncorrupted liberation of heart and liberation by that monk is called "both-ways -liberated and, Ananda, there is no other way of "both ways-liberation" that is more excellent or perfect than this.'

Thus the Lord spoke. And the Venerable Ananda rejoiced and was delighted at his words.

(Rejecting Venerable Ānanda’s claim to easily understand dependent origination, the Buddha presents a complex and demanding analysis, revealing hidden nuances and implications of this central teaching.)

References:
1. www.accesstoinsight.org
2. https://suttacentral.net/
3. The long discourses of the Buddha (Bhikkhu Bodhi)

Rejecting Venerable Ānanda’s claim to easily understand dependent origination, the Buddha presents a complex and demanding analysis, revealing hidden nuances and implications of this central teaching.