MN 38 Mahatanhasankhaya Sutta: The Greater Discourse on the Destruction of Craving
Thus have i heard.
On one occasion the Blessed One was living at Savatthi in Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's Park. Now on that occasion a pernicious view had arisen in a bhikkhu named Sati, son of a fisherman, thus: "As I understand the Dhamma taught by the Blessed One, it is this same consciousness that runs and wanders through the round of rebirths, not another." Several bhikkhus, having heard about this, went to the bhikkhu Sati and asked him: "Friend Sati, is it true that such a pernicious view has arisen in you?" Sati replied: "Exactly so, friends. As I understand the Dhamma taught by the Blessed One, it is this same consciousness that runs and wanders through the round of rebirths, not another." Then those bhikkhus, desiring to detach him from that pernicious view, pressed and questioned and cross-questioned him thus: "Friend Sati, do not say so. Do not misrepresent the Blessed One; it is not good to misrepresent the Blessed One. The Blessed One would not speak thus. For in many discourses the Blessed One has stated consciousness to be dependency arisen, since without a condition there is no origination of consciousness."
Despite being pressed and questioned and cross-questioned by those bhikkhus in this way, the bhikkhu Sati still obstinately adhered to that pernicious view and continued to insist upon it. Since the bhikkhus were unable to detach him from that pernicious view, they went to the Blessed One, and after paying homage to him, they sat down at one side and told him all that had occurred, adding: "Venerable sir, since we could not detach the bhikkhu Sati from this pernicious view, we have reported this matter to the Blessed One."
Then the Blessed One addressed a certain bhikkhu thus: "Come bhikkhu, tell the bhikkhu Sati in my name that the Teacher calls him." Then the Bhikkhu he went to the bhikkhu Sati and told him: "The Teacher calls you, friend Sati." Sati went to the Blessed One, and after paying homage to him, sat down at one side. The Blessed One then asked him: "Sati, is it true that the following pernicious view has arisen in you: 'As I understand the Dhamma taught by the Blessed One, it is this same consciousness that runs and wanders through the round of rebirths, not another'?"
Sati: "Exactly so, venerable sir. I said that." Buddha:"What is that consciousness, Sati?" Sati: "Venerable sir, it is that which speaks and feels and experiences here and there the result of good and bad actions." Buddha:"Misguided man, to whom have you ever known me to teach the Dhamma in that way? Misguided man, in many discourses have I not stated consciousness to be dependency arisen, since without a condition there is no origination of consciousness? But you, misguided man, have misrepresented us by your wrong grasp and injured yourself and stored up much demerit; for this will lead to your harm and suffering for a long time."
Then the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus thus: "Bhikkhus, what do you think? Has this bhikkhu Sati kindled even a spark of wisdom in this Dhamma and Discipline?" Bhikkhus replied: "How could he, venerable sir? No, venerable sir." When this was said, the bhikkhu Sati sat silent, dismayed, with shoulders drooping and head down, glum, and without response. Then, knowing this, the Blessed One told him: "Misguided man, you will be recognized by your own pernicious view. I shall question the bhikkhus on this matter."
Then the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus thus: "Bhikkhus, do you understand the Dhamma taught by me as this bhikkhu Sati does when he misrepresents us by his wrong grasp and injures himself and stores up much demerit?" Th Bhikkhus replied: "No, venerable sir. For in many discourses the Blessed One has stated consciousness to be dependently arisen, since without a condition there is no origination of consciousness." Buddha:"Good, bhikkhus. It is good that you understand the Dhamma taught by me thus. But this bhikkhu Sati misrepresents us by his wrong grasp and stores up much demerit; for this will lead to the harm and suffering of this misguided man for a long time. "
CONDITIONALITY OF CONSCIOUSNESS
"Bhikkhus, consciousness is reckoned by the particular condition dependent upon which it arises. When consciousness arises dependent on the eye and forms, it is reckoned as eye-consciousness; when consciousness arises dependent on the ear and sounds, it is reckoned as ear-consciousness; when consciousness arises dependent on the nose and odors, it is reckoned as nose-consciousness; when consciousness arises dependent on the tongue and flavors, it is reckoned as tongue-consciousness; when consciousness arises dependent on the body and tangibles, it is reckoned as body-consciousness; when consciousness arises dependent on the mind and mind-objects, it is reckoned as mind-consciousness.
Just as fire is reckoned by the particular condition dependent on which it burns - when fire burns dependent on logs, it is reckoned as a log fire; when fire burns dependent on faggots, it is reckoned as a faggot fire; when fire bums dependent on grass, it is reckoned as a grass fire; when fire burns dependent on cow-dung, it is reckoned as a cow-dung fire; when fire burns dependent on chaff, it is reckoned as a chaff fire; when fire burns dependent on rubbish, it is reckoned as a rubbish fire - so too, consciousness is reckoned by the particular condition dependent on which it arises."
GENERAL QUESTIONNAIRE ON BEING
"Bhikkhus, do you see: 'This has come to be? Its origination occurs with that as nutriment? With the cessation of that nutriment, what has come to be is subject to cessation?" Bhikkhus replied: "Yes, venerable sir." Buddha: "Bhikkhus, does doubt arise when one is uncertain thus: 'Has this come to be or not'?" Bhikkhus: "Yes, venerable sir." Buddha:"Bhikkhus, does doubt arise when one is uncertain thus: 'Does its origination occur with that as nutriment or not'?" Bhikkhus:"Yes, venerable sir."
Buddha: "Bhikkhus, does doubt arise when one is uncertain thus: 'With the cessation of that nutriment, is what has come to be subject to cessation or not'?" Bhikkhus: "Yes, venerable sir." Buddha:"Bhikkhus, is doubt abandoned in one who sees as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: 'This has come to be'?" Is doubt abandoned in one who sees as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: 'Its origination occurs with that as nutriment'?" Is doubt abandoned in one who sees as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: 'With the cessation of that nutriment, what has come to be is subject to cessation'?" Bhikkhus:"Yes, venerable sir."
Buddha: "Bhikkhus, are you free from doubt here: "This has come to be'?" Are you free from doubt here: 'Its origination occurs with that as nutriment'?" Are you free from doubt here: 'With the cessation of that nutriment, what has come to be is subject to cessation'?" Bhikkhus: "Yes, venerable sir." Buddha: "Bhikkhus, has it been seen well by you as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: 'This has come to be'?" Has it been seen well by you as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: 'Its origination occurs with that as nutriment'?" Has it been seen well by you as it actually is with proper wisdom thus: 'With the cessation of that nutriment, what has come to be is subject to cessation'?" Bhikkhus: "Yes, venerable sir."
Buddha:"Bhikkhus, purified and bright as this view is, if you adhere to it, cherish it, treasure it, and treat it as a possession, would you then understand the Dhamma that has been taught as similar to a raft, being for the purpose of crossing over, not for the purpose of grasping?" Bhikkhus: "No, venerable sir." Buddha: "Bhikkhus, purified and bright as this view is, if you do not adhere to it, cherish it, treasure it, and treat it as a possession, would you then understand the Dhamma that has been taught as similar to a raft, being for the purpose of crossing over, not for the purpose of grasping?" Bhikkhus:"Yes, venerable sir."
NUTRIMENT AND DEPENDENT ORIGINATION
"Bhikkhus, there are these four kinds of nutriment for the maintenance of beings that already have come to be and for the support of those seeking a new existence. What four? They are: physical food as nutriment, gross or subtle; contact as the second; mental volition as the third; and consciousness as the fourth."
"Now, bhikkhus, these four kinds of nutriment have what as their source, what as their origin, from what are they born and produced? These four kinds of nutriment have craving as their source, their origin; they are born and produced from craving. And this craving has what as its source...? Craving has feeling as its source...And this feeling has what as its source...? Feeling has contact as its source...And this contact has what as its source...? Contact has the sixfold base as its source...And this sixfold base has what as its source...? The sixfold base has mentality-materiality as its source...And this mentality-materiality has what as its source...? Mentality-materiality has consciousness as its source...And this consciousness has what as its source...? Consciousness has formations as its source...And these formations have what as their source, what as their origin, from what are they born and produced? Formations have ignorance as their source, ignorance as their origin; they are born and produced from ignorance. (Dependent origination in reverse order)
FORWARD EXPOSITION ON ARISING
"So, bhikkhus, with ignorance as condition, formations come to be; with formations as condition, consciousness; with consciousness as condition, mentality-materiality; with mentality-materiality as condition, the sixfold base; with the sixfold base as condition, contact; with contact as condition, feeling; with feeling as condition, craving; with craving as condition, clinging; with clinging as condition, being; with being as condition, birth; with birth as condition, ageing and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, and despair come to be. Such is the origin of this whole mass of suffering. (12 links of dependent origination)
REVERSE ORDER QUESTIONNAIRE ON ARISING
Buddha: "'With birth as condition, ageing and death': so it was said. Now, bhikkhus, do ageing and death have birth as condition or not, or how do you take it in this case?" Bhikkhus: "Ageing and death have birth as condition, venerable sir. Thus we take it in this case: 'With birth as condition, ageing and death.'" Buddha: "'With being as condition, birth': so it was said. Now, bhikkhus, does birth have being as condition or not, or how do you take it in this case?" Bhikkhus: "Birth has being as condition, venerable sir. Thus we take it in this case: 'With being as condition, birth.'" Buddha: '"With clinging as condition, being': so it was said. Now, bhikkhus, does being have clinging as condition or not, or how do you take it in this case?" Bhikkhus: "Being has clinging as condition, venerable sir. Thus we take it in this case: 'With clinging as condition, being.'" Buddha :'"With craving as condition, clinging': so it was said. Now, bhikkhus, does clinging have craving as condition or not, or how do you take it in this case?" Bhikkhus: "Clinging has craving as condition, venerable sir. Thus we take it in this case: 'With craving as condition, clinging.'"
Buddha: '"With feeling as condition, craving': so it was said. Now, bhikkhus, does craving have feeling as condition or not, or how do you take it in this case?" Bhikkhus:"Craving has feeling as condition, venerable sir. Thus we take it in this case: 'With feeling as condition, craving.'" Buddha: "'With contact as condition, feeling': so it was said. Now, bhikkhus, does feeling have contact as condition or not, or how do you take it in this case?" Bhikkhus: "Feeling has contact as condition, venerable sir. Thus we take it in this case: 'With contact as condition, feeling.'" Buddha:'"With the sixfold base as condition, contact': so it was said. Now, bhikkhus, does contact have the sixfold base as condition or not, or how do you take it in this case?"
Bhikkhus: "Contact has the sixfold base as condition, venerable sir. Thus we take it in this case: 'With the sixfold base as condition, contact,'" Buddha: "'With mentality-materiality as condition, the sixfold base': so it was said. Now, bhikkhus, does the sixfold base have mentality-materiality as condition or not, or how do you take it in this case?" Bhikkhus: "The sixfold base has mentality-materiality as condition, venerable sir. Thus we take it in this case: 'With mentality-materiality as condition, the sixfold base.'" Buddha: '"With consciousness as condition, mentality-materiality': so it was said. Now, bhikkhus, does mentality-materiality have consciousness as condition or not, or how do you take it in this case?" Bhikkhus: "Mentality-materiality has consciousness as condition, venerable sir. Thus we take it in this case: 'With consciousness as condition, mentality-materiality.'"
Buddha: '"With formations as condition, consciousness': so it was said. Now, bhikkhus, does consciousness have formations as condition or not, or how do you take it in this case?" Bhikkhus: "Consciousness has formations as condition, venerable sir. Thus we take it in this case: 'With formations as condition, consciousness.'" Buddha:'"With ignorance as condition, formations': so it was said. Now, bhikkhus, do formations have ignorance as condition or not, or how do you take it in this case?" Bhikkhus: "Formations have ignorance as condition, venerable sir. Thus we take it in this case: 'With formations as condition, ignorance.'"
RECAPITULATION ON ARISING
"Good, bhikkhus. So you say thus, and I also say thus: 'When this exists, that comes to be; with the arising of this, that arises.' That is, with ignorance as condition, formations come to be; with formations as condition, consciousness; with consciousness as condition, mentality-materiality; with mentalitymateriality as condition, the sixfold base; with the sixfold base as condition, contact; with contact as condition, feeling; with feeling as condition, craving; with craving as condition, clinging; with clinging as condition, being; with being as condition, birth; with birth as condition, ageing and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, and despair come to be. Such is the origin of this whole mass of suffering.
FORWARD EXPOSITION ON CESSATION
"But with the remainder-less fading away and cessation of ignorance comes cessation of formations; with the cessation of formations, cessation of consciousness; with the cessation of consciousness, cessation of mentality-materiality; with the cessation of mentality-materiality, cessation of the sixfold base; with the cessation of the sixfold base, cessation of contact; with the cessation of contact, cessation of feeling; with the cessation of feeling, cessation of craving; with the cessation of craving, cessation of clinging; with the cessation of clinging, cessation of being; with the cessation of being, cessation of birth; with the cessation of birth, ageing and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, and despair cease. Such is the cessation of this whole mass of suffering.
REVERSE ORDER QUESTIONNAIRE ON CESSATION
Buddha: "'With the cessation of birth, cessation of ageing and death': so it was said. Now, bhikkhus, do ageing and death cease with the cessation of birth or not, or how do you take it in this case?" Bhikkus: "Ageing and death cease with the cessation of birth, venerable sir. Thus we take it in this case: 'With the cessation of birth, cessation of ageing and death.'" Buddha: "'With the cessation of being, cessation of birth'...'With the cessation of clinging, cessation of being'...'With the cessation of craving, cessation of clinging'...'With the cessation of feeling, cessation of craving'... 'With the cessation of contact, cessation of feeling'..'With the cessation of the sixfold base, cessation of contact'...'With the cessation of mentality-materiality, cessation of the sixfold base'...'With the cessation of consciousness, cessation of mentality-materiality'...'With the cessation of formations, cessation of consciousness'...'With the cessation of ignorance, cessation of formations': so it was said. Now, bhikkhus, do formations cease with the cessation of ignorance or not, or how do you take it in this case?" Bhikkhus:"Formations cease with the cessation of ignorance, venerable sir. Thus we take it in this case: 'With the cessation of ignorance, cessation of formations.'"
RECAPITULATION ON CESSATION
"Good, bhikkhus. So you say thus, and I also say thus: 'When this does not exist, that does not come to be; with the cessation of this, that ceases.' That is, with the cessation of ignorance comes cessation of formations; with the cessation of formations, cessation of consciousness; with the cessation of consciousness, cessation of mentality-materiality; with the cessation of mentality-materiality, cessation of the sixfold base; with the cessation of the sixfold base, cessation of contact; with the cessation of contact, cessation of feeling; with the cessation of feeling, cessation of craving; with the cessation of craving, cessation of clinging; with the cessation of clinging, cessation of being; with the cessation of being, cessation of birth; with the cessation of birth, ageing and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, and despair cease. Such is the cessation of this whole mass of suffering.
PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE
"Bhikkhus, knowing and seeing in this way, would you run back to the past thus: 'Were we in the past? Were we not in the past? What were we in the past? How were we in the past? Having been what, what did we become in the past?'?" Bhikkhus: "No, venerable sir." Buddha: "Knowing and seeing in this way, would you run forward to the future thus: 'Shall we be in the future? Shall we not be in the future? What shall we be in the future? How shall we be in the future? Having been what, what shall we become in the future?'?" Bhikkhus: "No, venerable sir." Buddha: "Knowing and seeing in this way, would you now be inwardly perplexed about the present thus: 'Am I? Am I not? What am I? How am I? Where has this being come from? Where will it go?'?" Bhikkhus: "No, venerable sir." 24. "Bhikkhus, knowing and seeing in this way, would you speak thus: 'The Teacher is respected by us. We speak as we do out of respect for the Teacher'?" Buddha: "No, venerable sir."
Buddha: "Knowing and seeing in this way, would you speak thus: 'The Recluse says this, and so do other recluses, but we do not speak thus'?" Bhikkhus:"No, venerable sir." Buddha: "Knowing and seeing in this way, would you acknowledge another teacher? Would you return to the observances, tumultuous debates, and auspicious signs of ordinary recluses and brahmins, taking them as the core of the holy life? " Bhikkhus: "No, venerable sir."
Buddha: "Do you speak only of what you have known, seen, and understood for yourselves?" Bhikkhus:"Yes, venerable sir." Buddha: "Good, bhikkhus. So you have been guided by me with this Dhamma, which is visible here and now, immediately effective, inviting inspection, onward leading, to be experienced by the wise for themselves. For it was with reference to this that it has been said: 'Bhikkhus, this Dhamma is visible here and now, immediately effective, inviting inspection, onward leading, to be experienced by the wise for themselves.'
THE ROUND OF EXISTENCE: CONCEPTION TO MATURITY
"Bhikkhus, the conception of an embryo in a womb takes place through the union of three things. 1. Here, there is the union of the mother and father, but it is not the mother's season, and the being to be reborn is not present - in this case there is no conception of an embryo in a womb. 2. Here, there is the union of the mother and father, and it is the mother's season, but the being to be reborn is not present - in this case too there is no conception of an embryo in a womb. 3. But when there is the union of the mother and father, and it is the mother's season, and the being to be reborn is present, through the union of these three things the conception of an embryo in a womb takes place."
"The mother then carries the embryo in her womb for nine or ten months with much anxiety, as a heavy burden. Then, at the end of nine or ten months, the mother gives birth. After the child is born, she nourishes it with her own blood; for the mother's breast-milk is called blood in the Noble One's Discipline. When he grows up and his faculties mature, the child plays games . When he grows up and his faculties mature further, the youth enjoys himself provided and endowed with the five cords of sensual pleasure, with forms cognizable by the eye... sounds cognizable by the ear...odors cognizable by the nose... flavors cognizable by the tongue...tangibles cognizable by the body that are wished for, desired, agreeable and like-able, connected with sensual desire, and provocative of lust. "
THE CONTINUATION OF THE ROUND
"On seeing a form with the eye, he lusts after it if it is pleasing; he dislikes it if it is unpleasing. He abides with mindfulness of the body un-established, with a limited mind, and he does not understand as it actually is the deliverance of mind and deliverance by wisdom wherein those evil unwholesome states cease without remainder. Engaged as he is in favoring and opposing, whatever feeling he feels - whether pleasant or painful or neither-painful nor-pleasant - he delights in that feeling, welcomes it, and remains holding to it. As he does so, delight arises in him. Now delight in feelings is clinging. With his clinging as condition, being comes to be; with being as condition, birth; with birth as condition, ageing and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, and despair come to be. Such is the origin of this whole mass of suffering."
"Similarly on hearing a sound with the ear...On smelling an odor with the nose.. .On tasting a flavor with the tongue.. .On touching a tangible with the body.. .On cognizing a mind-object with the mind, he too lusts after it if it is pleasing; he dislikes it if it is unpleasing...Now delight in feelings is clinging. With his clinging as condition, being comes to be; with being as condition, birth; with birth as condition, ageing and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, and despair come to be. Such is the origin of this whole mass of suffering. " THE ENDING OF THE ROUND: THE GRADUAL TRAINING
"Here, bhikkhus, a Tathagata appears in the world, accomplished, fully enlightened...(as Sutta 27) . .he purifies his mind from doubt. "Having thus abandoned these five hindrances, imperfections of the mind that weaken wisdom, quite secluded from sensual pleasures, secluded from unwholesome states, he enters upon and abides in the first jhana...With the stilling of applied and sustained thought, he enters upon and abides in the second jhana...With the fading away as well of rapture...he enters upon and abides in the third jhana...With the abandoning of pleasure and pain...he enters upon and abides in the fourth jhana...which has neither-pain-nor-pleasure and purity of mindfulness due to equanimity. "
THE ENDING OF THE ROUND: FULL CESSATION
"On seeing a form with the eye, he does not lust after it if it is pleasing; he does not dislike it if it is unpleasing. He abides with mindfulness of the body established, with an immeasurable mind, and he understands as it actually is the deliverance of mind and deliverance by wisdom wherein those evil unwholesome states cease without remainder. Having thus abandoned favoring and opposing, whatever feeling he feels, whether pleasant or painful or neither-painful-nor-pleasant, he does not delight in that feeling, welcome it, or remain holding to it. As he does not do so, delight in feelings ceases in him. With the cessation of his delight comes cessation of clinging; with the cessation of clinging, cessation of being; with the cessation of being, cessation of birth; with the cessation of birth, ageing and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, and despair cease. Such is the cessation of this whole mass of suffering. "Similarly upon hearing a sound with the ear...On smelling an odor with the nose.. .On tasting a flavor with the tongue.. .On touching a tangible with the body...On cognizing a mind-object with the mind, he does not lust after it if it is pleasing; he does not dislike it if it is unpleasing...With the cessation of his delight comes cessation of clinging; with the cessation of clinging, cessation of being; with the cessation of being, cessation of birth; with the cessation of birth, ageing and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, and despair cease. Such is the cessation of this whole mass of suffering. "
CONCLUSION
"Bhikkhus, remember this deliverance through the destruction of craving as taught in brief by me. But the bhikkhu Sati, son of a fisherman, is caught up in a vast net of craving, in the trammel of craving."
That is what the Blessed One said. The bhikkhus were satisfied and delighted in the Blessed One's words.
In summary, a bhikkhu named Sati, son of a fisherman, promulgates the pernicious view that the same consciousness transmigrates from life to life. Hearing this several monks protested, but failed to convince him of his error. The Buddha reprimands him with a lengthy discourse on dependent origination, showing how all phenomena of existence arise and cease through conditions. “Whenever this is present, this is also present. Whenever this is absent, this is also absent.” “From the arising of this, this arises. From the cessation of this, this ceases to be.”
12 links of dependent origination are:
Ignorance (Avijja)
Volitional formations (Sankhara)
Consciousness (Vinnana)
Mind & Body (Nama-Rupa)
Six Sense spheres (Salayatana)
Contact (Phassa)
Feeling (Vedana)
Craving (Tanha)
Grasping (Upadana)
Becoming (Bhava)
Birth (Jati)
Ageing and death (Jara-marana)
Besides the 12 links of dependent origination, Buddha also mentionedfour kinds of nutriment for the maintenance of beings that already have come to be and for the support of those seeking a new existence. They are: physical food as nutriment, gross or subtle; contact as the second; mental volition as the third; and consciousness as the fourth."
References: 1. www.accesstoinsight.org 2. https://suttacentral.net/ 3. The middle length discourses of the Buddha (Bhikkhu Bodhi)